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Sunday, August 13, 2006

It's Islam, stupid

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, American comedians didn't quite dare wade into the topic of the new reality.  For several weeks following the attack, the stand-up acts were strangely devoid of anything related to homeland security or terrorism.  That is, until Jay Leno stepped up and decided that enough was enough. 

In his opening monologue one evening he delivered what has since become a classic bit:

"I'm not saying they're profiling at the airports these days.  But if your first name is 'Mohammed' and your last name isn't 'Ali'... leave a little extra time."

He nailed it. 

Unfortunately, for some reason the people who are paid to understand such things still don't 'get' the prescient truth behind Leno's timely joke.

With the exception of North Korea, every single trouble spot on the planet can be directly tied to the doctrine of Islam.  Please take note that I didn't use the words 'radical' or 'militant' to modify the word Islam.  Islam, as preached and practiced from it's primary source (the Koran), is quite simply incompatible with other cultures and religions.  Since its inception in the 7th century, Islam has demanded that its followers submit themselves completely to the will of Allah... and that they in turn bend the rest of the world completely to the pitiless domination of Islam. 

The best any non-Muslim can expect according to the Pact of Umar is a barely-tolerated status known as 'Dhimmi'... which is basically a subservient second class status in Muslim society.  In short, Islam does not play nicely with others.  It's all or nothing.

Since Islam was invented (yes, you read that correctly) it has been the cause of countless wars, conquests and overt attempts to dominate the known world.  Throughout its history, Islamic leaders have made absolutely no secret of their intentions to carry out Allah's global ambitions.  And in every generation since, the non-Muslims of the world have said to themselves (as we are again saying to ourselves today), that they don't really mean it... that this is just the way those people talk and it is a cultural thing for which we need to make allowances.

I honestly don't understand this willful blindness.

Listen up people... they mean it!  Really!!! When people in charge of nearly limitless resources and vast armies stand up and state quite openly that they intend to wipe a country off the map, they mean it!  When these leaders state their intention to return to the lines of demarcation (and beyond) where previous Muslim invasions/conquests faltered in Europe... they mean it. 

When they tell us in the most unambiguous, straightforward language that they won't stop until they have conquered the world... THEY REALLY MEAN IT!

Every advance in global communication and travel that should have made the world a better, smaller, safer place to live has been exploited by Islam as a weapon against us.  Because of the tenets of Islam, every man woman and child must now wait in endless lines to enter public buildings and travel on buses, trains and airplanes.  And each time we think we have figured out a way to return to some semblance of normalcy in our daily lives, we discover (often too late) that Muslims have figured out a new way to target us and kill us in large numbers.

Over the past few days British and U.S. security officials have been interviewed about the new security measures in place after the [apparently] foiled attempt to smuggle liquid explosives onto a bunch of trans-Atlantic flights.    Their solutions make absolutely no sense!  They have little old ladies from Peoria throwing away their Florida Water.  They have teenagers dumping shampoo, hair gel and conditioners from their purses and backpacks.  They have people tossing out their contact lens solution!!!

What they aren't doing is mining the database which contains the name and salient details of every Muslim man woman and child in the free world (a database I assure you exists), and demanding that every one of these potential jihadists be subjected to the same waiting period to buy a plane ticket as most U.S. citizens have to endure before purchasing a handgun.   

There it is.  Call me a racist.  Call me a bigot.  Call me whatever you want.   

Obviously not every Muslim in the world is actually a terrorist or dreams gleefully of subjugating the world under the heel of Islam.  But the ones who don't represent a clear and present threat to us are the exception rather than the rule.  To pretend otherwise and formulate our approach to dealing with our enemies based on our experience with this tiny minority of benign Muslims is insanity.

The Muslim countries and individuals that have proven themselves (thus far, anyway) capable of peaceful coexistence with non-Muslim cultures are those who have deliberately moved towards secularization of their religion and society.  They have basically created an 'Islam Lite' that preserves many of the cultural touchstones if Islam without demanding the subservience and militancy of the Full Monty Wahhabi.  What does it say about a religion that in order for it to coexist peacefully with other cultures and faiths it must be de-clawed of its more dangerous statutes?

Just because we can point to Jordan or Egypt and say, "See... it's possible to be both Muslim and a peaceful neighbor", is no disproof of what I've said here.   Both of these countries have had mixed results creating secular societies, and as a result are facing destabilizing internal insurgencies from their religious citizens.

Likewise, we can point to many wonderful Muslim individuals around the world who are neither personally dangerous nor supporters of global Jihad.  But these people are marginal players in their own societies and would certainly not put their lives at risk telling the Mullahs to just 'give peace a chance'.  I mean, did you ever notice that these moderate Muslims are always calling on the non-Muslim world (especially Israel and the U.S.) to be the ones to back down in the face of threats and violence... y'know, as a humanitarian gesture?  Yet all the while Islam remains on the march with no hint of concession or regret in sight.

The sudden massive immigration of Muslims into western Europe over the past 30 years is no accident or coincidence.  This is a conquest plain and simple, although without the swords and horses most refuse to recognize it as such.  Europe has historically been able to tolerate immigration because their own cultures have been strong enough to absorb and influence the new arrivals. 

Of course, we Jews know from painful experience that refusal to be absorbed can lead to unwanted negative attention from European hosts.  Perhaps the Europeans learned the lesson too well with us (the Jews) and are therefore doubly vulnerable to the Muslim hordes.

But make no mistake... these aren't a bunch of wandering Huguenots or Jews who refuse to be absorbed into European society.  Islam demands the home team advantage even when on the road... and is acting as an aggressive, belligerent cancer that has metastasized on the vital organs of European society. 

Think about this for a moment:  A practitioner of a non-Muslim religion would be barred from most outward practices of his or her faith in any Muslim country. But let anyone or anything trod on the toes of Islamic practices anywhere in the free world and there will be riots and murder in the streets. 

Let a Muslim be arrested for breaking the law... rioting, destruction and murder ensue.

Let a cartoon be drawn that insults any aspect of Islam... rioting, destruction and murder ensue.

Let anyone suggest that women be photographed for national identity cards in such a way that they can actually be identified (i.e. without a veil or chador)...rioting, destruction and murder ensue.

Throughout the free world there are now cultural no-go zones where the police, politicians and even military dare not tread for fear of inciting Muslim violence. 

A Buddha can't be tolerated in Afghanistan.  A crucifix is an affront in Iran.  Entire Jewish communities in every Muslim country have been uprooted and expelled (and all their holdings and property seized by the mobs).  Yet I challenge you to name a city in Western Europe where the skyline isn't marred by turgid minarets and where the residents aren't subjected to the amplified din of the muezzin from pre-dawn til late at night.

The west willfully turns a blind eye to the abuse of women and children and tacitly condones honor killings in our midst.  Our laws are well written and equipped to deal with these issues... yet those sworn to uphold and defend the laws are fearful of lighting the powder keg called 'Muslim Sensibilities'.

And yet each time Muslims up the stakes in their declared war on the rest of the world, we pretend they don't really mean it.  We patronize them and infantalize them... and we pooh-pooh their rantings and crimes as we would those of an ill-behaved child.  At a certain point one has to wonder if world leaders are just stupid or if they are actually complicit in the attacks on their own societies!

Anyone who gets on TV and says that Islam is a religion of peace is either an ignoramus or a liar. 

Anyone who stands up after a kidnapping and tells the world not to worry about the welfare of the hostages because Islam requires that prisoners be treated humanely, is pulling a Jedi mind trick in an attempt to make us forget the countless hostages that have been tortured, shot, knifed or beheaded to satisfy the ongoing blood-lust of a 7th Century L.Ron Hubbard*. 

Wake up folks!  The people who are funding and carrying out these attacks are Muslims.  It isn't that they just happen to be Muslims.  If you take the time to read the Koran (instead of blindly taking the world of Muslim murderers and apologists) it is full of very straight-forward directives to dominate, subjugate, and if necessary, kill the infidel while taking over the world. 

Each time a Muslim politician gets up after an attack and claims that the terrorists do not act in the name of Muslims and that such attacks are damaging the standing if Islam around the world, you can bet they are speaking in English... and that the version delivered to their co-religionists will be an Arabic or Farsi riff on Queen's hit 'We are the Champions'!

The answer isn't to negotiate with Islam.  The streets are no longer safe.  Travel is no longer safe.  Commerce is no longer safe.  Even speaking or writing what we think is risking a death sentence!  We can't possibly concede anything more to Islam because, quite literally, we have nothing left to give.  Any concessions from here on in will simply amount to handing them our little remaining autonomy and freedom piece-by-piece.

The world is making a horrible mistake by imposing a cease-fire on Israel in its war on Hezbollah.  This shameful document grants a terrorist organization legal status and standing in the international arena and fails to punish the states who sponsor it (Syria and Iran)... or hold accountable the country (Lebanon) that allows it to dominate its political life and government. 

This cease fire denies Israel (and every other civilized country) the right to defend internationally recognized borders, and in fact calls into question the very concept of internationally recognized borders!!!  Quite simply, this cease fire resolution codifies in black and white that aggression is the new diplomacy and everything is ultimately negotiable.

New U.N. Resolutions (such as the one under which the cease fire is to be implemented) are a waste of time since they only underscore the fact that previous resolutions can easily be set aside and/or ignored with impunity.  Kofi Annan and his merry bunch of enablers have granted the Muslims yet another 'Do Over' in their race towards global domination without the troublesome formality of forcing them back to the starting line.

The moment this cease fire goes into effect the west will have signed its own death warrant.  We will have declared to the entire Muslim world that there is always a reward for unprovoked aggression.  From here on in, at every turn the world will be faced with emboldened Muslim organizations and regimes who will take up arms in anticipation of the next western capitulation.  Any of these so-called moderate Muslim voices we hear so much about will (if they're smart) run for cover.  We've sold them out and made their future existence every bit as tenuous as our own.

Yes folks, we are witnessing the beginning of the end in the global war of cultures... and true to form, we still refuse to even name the enemy.

It's Islam, stupid!

* Hat tip to 'Stone Giant' of the Glock Talk Forum for this priceless quip.


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Could not put it better myself.
It's a pity more people can not see these truths.

Posted by: tl | Aug 13, 2006 2:30:43 PM

I think the Jedi mind trick is a more apt description of how the gov't prosecuted this war. Which is to say, completely ineptly, yet with a weak cover up of "yes, we are winning this war" I think Tzipi Livni's shrug and grimace at the end of her spiel on channel 2 last night said it all.

I'm dying to know when the next mass demonstration against the gov't is, becacuse I will definitely be the first one there (I have not been to one hafgana since I made aliya 6 years ago) I am simply livid. What a waste of lives, of towns, (kiryat shemona is completely destroyed according to my chirnik neighbor who is fighting in lebenon as I type). Just a waste.

Posted by: abbi | Aug 13, 2006 4:28:45 PM

Ceasefire, shmeasefire. It'll take 12 minutes for hezbollah to start attacking again. They simply have no impulse control. Unfortunately, it'll take the rest of the world 11 minutes to forget who broke the deal.

Why does the word wahhabi always make me jones for sushi?

Posted by: Tanya | Aug 13, 2006 4:55:59 PM

... Is this the same David Bogner who got uppity and poo-pooed my posts about the need to expel Palestinians from the "occupied territories"? Now urging the West to do.... exactly what... to their Muslim populations, some of who are decades-old naturalized citizens?

Posted by: Ben-David | Aug 13, 2006 5:03:13 PM

tl... Actually many people have said it far better than I (and have gone into great detail providing chapter and verse of exactly how the Koran speaks about the rest of us).

abbi... Don't get me started about Olmert, Peretz and Halutz. A prime minister who is a career opportunist and who hasn't had a legitimate strategic thought in his life that didn't involve self-promotion... a Minister of Defense who is one of the original members of Peace Now and who has spent his career actively dismissing any legitimate justification for military conflict... and a Chief of Staff who is an Air Force Pilot, has surrounded himself with career air Force officers, and who has open disdain for infantry officers who, like a surgeon who sees all medical solutions as surgical, could not imagine for a moment that his F-16s couldn't fight the war all by themselves. No, please don't get me started on these three because I think criminal charges are in order for all of them for their willful negligence.

Tanya... Unfortunately, Hezbollah has no obligations under the cease fire. There will be at least a week or two before any Lebanese and international troops are in a position to relieve the IDF. What exactly they are supposed to do remains anyone's guess... but in the mean time the IDF is now obligated to sit still while its enemy is free to pick it's soldiers off like fish in a barrel. Each and every member of the cabinet that agreed to this travesty should be brought up on charges of providing aid and support to the enemy in time of war.

Ben David... You'll notice that I have been silent on what exactly should be done with Europe's Muslim citizens. I honestly think it is too late. France is a defacto Muslim country now and the Netherlands and Spain are not far behind. Germany could go either way while much of Scandinavia seems as doomed as France. My suggestions would revolve more around profiling. I have no problem whatsoever with Palestinians being singled out for extra scrutiny at check-points and other areas where security personnel are screening people. They did this to themselves by choosing terror instead of negotiations. If a reasonable period of time were to pass without an attempted terror attack (something you and I know will never, ever happen) then I could see removing them from the extra scrutiny list.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Aug 13, 2006 5:24:48 PM

Now David ... Come down from that tree this minute! I'm sure Lisa has some peace activist author somewhere that can calm your nerves. :^}

I still maintain that the world refuses to view the situation rationally and logically because they have surrendered the ability to think. Through Orwellian mindgames over the past fifty years we have all had our brains turned to mush. A radical soulectomy was performed on the western world and we didn't even realize it. Or maybe it was a ballectomy. Both I think.

Here is a shorthand version of an illustration provided by blackfive: (milblog) We are killing human shield children with our 'love'. If we would suspend our 'love' for these children in the name of war (as one really must do in a real war) ... the terrorists would stop using them as shields and many many fewer of them would be gitting killed. But this understanding is beyond us now.

Maybe there is no leftist plot to turn western man into a feminized illogical robot while they destabilized the world so effectivly that they could bring about their utopian/Startreck-Federation-ruling -elete system.

Maybe we just did it to ourselves through materialistic greed. Adam lied and good men died.

Daniel 12
1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
4“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

Posted by: Scott | Aug 13, 2006 5:39:02 PM

You are so very right. This has absolutely nothing to do with the 1967 lines or even the 1948 lines. It is about the 1492 lines. Al Zawahiri said it himself just last month. What the Muslims want is Al-Andulus. Israel is just the first inconvenient step along the way to a Muslim land stretching from Iran to Spain.

Posted by: Alan | Aug 13, 2006 5:46:42 PM

When does it stop getting worse? We all knew that the Oslo Accords would bring war - and what do they do, they give more up by running away from Lebanon with their tails between their legs. Then we get the second intifada. More than a thousand civilians killed, and countless others wounded - and what happens, they give away Gush Katif. Then we get kassams in Ashkelon, and kidnapped and killed soldiers. Then Hizballah starts up with us in the north - and finally the left says "hey, maybe we have to fight in order to save ourselves". So what happens, the government stutters and fights just a little bit - and when they finally send in enough soldiers to really accomplish something - they agree to a ceasefire agreement that is worse than useless. When does it end - after we are all glowing in the dark?

I've said it hundreds of times - both to myself and to others - if I didn't believe that G-d is in charge of the world - I would go completely crazy.

Posted by: westbankmama | Aug 13, 2006 5:48:14 PM

WhileI think you overstate the case slightly, but quite effectively, the idea that Islam is a religion of peace is a false and bankrupt one. France is in a lot of trouble, and you did not mention England. I only hope that their natural xenophobia will return to the point that they can at least monitor appropriately the threat in their midst.
You would be shocked if you heard the "crusade" talk recently spewing forth from the lips of your liberal friend in Teaneck. Sometimes, you just gotta say F@$## 'em.

Posted by: jordan Hirsch | Aug 13, 2006 5:54:41 PM

Scott... You had me... you really did. I agree with you. Just once, though, I want you to try to make your point without quoting scripture or Orwell, Mkay. :-) Oh, and do me a favor. Leave Lisa out of this. While she and I have agreed on little lately, it isn't fair to criticize her by name when she isn't a party to this particular discussion. If she should decide to chime in you can address your opinions directly to her.

Alan... Several years before the train bombing in Madrid Osama Bin Laden made a speech in which he also made direct reference to retaking Spain by force. This doesn't require code breaking , folks... they are saying what they mean on the 10:00 news.

Westbankmama... I have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach about my future relationship with some of my lefty friends (of which I have quite a few). If they revert to their default positions i don't know that I can continue to respect them. I have changed in many ways since being here. In some ways I have become more liberal and in others I have become more conservative. I fail to understand how people can remain so predictably static in the face of so much new information.

Jordan... You know better than most that when I'm being carried on the crest of a good rant I ALWAYS overstate my case. Look through my archives and read the countless mea culpas. But in this case I don't see myself budging much. As to 'my liberal friend in Teaneck'... I thought that was you. ;-)

Posted by: treppenwitz | Aug 13, 2006 6:08:15 PM

As a Jew it pains me to classify a group of people as being troublesome or problematic.

If you look at our history it is hard to be sensitive about this without feeling some kind of twinge of guilt.

However, that doesn't mean that we should not do so, nor does it mean that it is not accurate.

The reality is that it every day we teach our children that all things are not equal. All beliefs/values are not equal.

Radical Islam is a problem for the world and the bottom line is that they are looking for a confrontation and unless we set aside our "can't we all get along" mentality we are going to be in trouble.

Good post. Sorry that it had to be written, but it is what it is.

Posted by: Jack | Aug 13, 2006 6:24:16 PM

no actually, tl was right, couldn't have said it better m'self.

yeah i dont think its gonna happen either. hizbullah is just gonna send over more rockets.


Posted by: Tonny | Aug 13, 2006 6:34:27 PM

Watching Fox News and reading some American blogs I perceive, perhaps, a ray of hope.

Nosehair will not seize this chance of his to acqire instant nationhood. He will continue to rocket and there will be NO ceasefire. (fervent prayer [no, not the rockets] )

It is even possible this is a straight out ploy by Bush and Bolton. I suppose even Olmert is in on it but I doubt it. I'm just not capable of that level of optimism these days.

David, OK. I'll let go of Orwell. He IS a tad dated. But the Bible is the ground of my being. I understand the world through it. It cured me of Humanism and is why I am not infected by the cancer of MODERN liberal thought today.

Posted by: Scott | Aug 13, 2006 6:51:26 PM

Can we compare this post to the one titled -- I think -- Ibrahim's Mirror?
Can we take this as a T-witz retreat from this earlier position?

Posted by: Stan | Aug 13, 2006 7:15:36 PM


I agree with 95% of what you say. Except this:

"This is a conquest plain and simple, although without the swords and horses most refuse to recognize it as such."

There's no conquest plan, and none was needed. Muslims began moving to the west in huge numbers because all of their countries are a mess. Because of Islam. They've got a self-perpetuating failure mechanism.

Once in the West, they behave not like immigrants but like settler-colonists. That's Islam.

You don't have to make up wild theories about planned conquest. The reality is bad enough.

Posted by: sophia | Aug 13, 2006 8:22:54 PM

I echo Jack on this. Although I know you are probably 99% right, as a Jew, it pains me to make such comments and acknowledgments.

This past year I have become very close with an non-practicing Iranian moslem, who left Iran when she was 18 because of the oppression and angst towards the forcing of religion from society (not from her family.) Her husband is an American Christian and they want to send their son to a Jewish preschool. She is very spiritual and does find peaceful messages in the Koran, but she also incorporates Eastern philosophies in her belief and what she wants to past down to her son too. Many of her own family and Iranian friends are the same way. I have met many of them and have very much enjoyed their company and never once felt any hatred or dislike because I am a Jew from them. We were talking yesterday, that I wish I could travel to Iran because when you actually meet the individuals, it's a different story. Unfortunately when the public is constantly being bombarded with negative messages from the media and their religious and political leaders, it isn't surprising that they begin to believe the lies. It happens all the time here in the US, whether its politics or celebrity gossip.

Posted by: jaime | Aug 13, 2006 10:25:39 PM

This cease-fire resolution is an abomination. I simply can't understand how anyone could agree on it. What I would really like to know, however, is what's going to happen afterwards. What measures is the government going to take to make sure that this scenario does NOT play out again? And what about the abducted soldiers? : (

Posted by: Irina | Aug 13, 2006 11:22:47 PM

Well said...I linked it...hope you don't mind. Have a good day.

Posted by: Yabu | Aug 14, 2006 2:56:47 AM

No argument here. You tell it like it is -- sad as the reality is.

Posted by: Yaron | Aug 14, 2006 3:38:06 AM

No argument here. You tell it like it is -- sad as the reality is.

Posted by: Yaron | Aug 14, 2006 3:38:27 AM


Well, I would guess pulling out of northern Israel would be logical. Given the present 'leadership' you have.

Posted by: Scott | Aug 14, 2006 4:53:00 AM

Wow. Pulling no punches, 100% TRUTH!

Posted by: 40 Ounce Loudmouth | Aug 14, 2006 4:59:03 AM

Well, alright -- if you're "demanding" to know my views, they are the same as yours. *Our* views, then. Most recently our thinking on this troublesome matter of Islamism is posted here


and here


In the next few days I'll be writing an elaboration on this sentiment: "Here's why it's a World War: Moslems are all over the world. Those other, old fashioned World Wars? They were World Wars because *nations* are all over the world. Now it isn't nations, but Moslems." Et cetera.

Not tha there's anything *wrong* with it.


Posted by: Jack H | Aug 14, 2006 5:18:06 AM

Having read the Koran and studied Islam a bit, I can state that I fully agree with your analysis. This is an invented "religion" (feels more like an ideology because it is almost totally lacking in spirituality) created by a provincial individual who totally failed to grasp the significance of either Judaism or Christianity. This "religion" was spread by conquest--i.e., force--and didn't particularly concern itself with what its adherents felt in their souls. Its very name, Submission, tells us everything we need to know.
Conquest and subjugation are its goal; domination by authorities is de rigeur; there is no role for the individual. The West's insistance on individuality represent an existential threat to Islam and the followers of Islam will never accept its co-existence with their institutions.

Posted by: ChicagoSusanna | Aug 14, 2006 6:43:33 AM

Having read the Koran and studied Islam a bit, I can state that I fully agree with your analysis. This is an invented "religion" (feels more like an ideology because it is almost totally lacking in spirituality) created by a provincial individual who totally failed to grasp the significance of either Judaism or Christianity. This "religion" was spread by conquest--i.e., force--and didn't particularly concern itself with what its adherents felt in their souls. Its very name, Submission, tells us everything we need to know.
Conquest and subjugation are its goal; domination by authorities is de rigeur; there is no role for the individual. The West's insistance on individuality represent an existential threat to Islam and the followers of Islam will never accept its co-existence with their institutions.

Posted by: ChicagoSusanna | Aug 14, 2006 6:43:59 AM

What does this post remind me of?

"He is not satisfied in any trade until that trade is, as far as possible, under his complete control, and he has for the extension of that control the support of his brethren throughout the world. He has at the same time the international knowledge and international indifference which further aid his efforts. " (Hilaire Belloc, The Jews)

"The most important and pregnant tenet of modern Jewish belief is that the Ger {goy - goyim}, or stranger, in fact all those who do not belong to their religion, are brute beasts, having no more rights than the fauna of the field." (Sir Richard Burton, The Jew, The Gypsy and El Islam, p. 73)

"The customs of the Jews are base and abominable and owe their persistence to their depravity. Jews are extremely loyal to one another, always ready to show compassion, but towards every other people they feel only hate and enmity." (Tacitus).

"I fear the Jewish banks with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America. And use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization. The Jews will not hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos that the earth should become their inheritance." (Bismarck)

etc. etc.

Posted by: Simon | Aug 14, 2006 7:16:37 AM

Hmmm, Simon makes a point except for one thing--JEWS HAVEN'T FLOWN AIRPLANES INTO ANY SKYSCRAPERS LATELY! They also weren't just recently caught trying to blow up a bunch of jetliners full of innocent people.

Islam has declared full-out war against the West. It's on and they really believe they're going to win.

I'm a German-American and my dad has told me how his Mid-West farming community was scrutinized during WWII. Elsewhere, loyal Japanese Americans were interred. Was that fair? No. Was it necessary? Yes.

Why were those young Muslim fellows in Michigan buying 1000 cellphones? Hmmm. I'd sure feel safer if they were in Guantanamo.

Posted by: Frank L. | Aug 14, 2006 8:25:57 AM

You are right. Islam is not a peaceful religion. This "doctrine of devils" was invented for the sole purpose of annihilating the Jewish people. (They just threw in some good stuff to mask the true intent.)

Posted by: Dina | Aug 14, 2006 8:50:40 AM

Without disagreeing with your basic premise, I think "every single" is a bit of an overstatement. I think it is more like 90%.

Some exceptions:

Burudi and Rwanda are both between Hutus and Tutsis, both Catholics.

Columbia is a fight between Marxists and Democrats.

Liberia is simply totalitarian.

Northern Ireland is Catholic vs Protestant.

And North Korea, as you mentioned.

The rest (about 40 others) involve Muslims.

Source: Wikipedia.


Posted by: Yehuda Berlinger | Aug 14, 2006 10:00:41 AM

Oh, Simon, I get it. You're trying to draw a parallel between what David says about Islam and various antisemitic spewings. For you, one equals the other.

Nice try ... except that one group of assertions is based on pure hatred, while the other is based on provable facts and deeds.

How sad that even now there are still so many people who have trouble figuring out which is which.

Let us know what happens the next time you try to take a bottle of water onto a plane, won't you?

Posted by: Rahel | Aug 14, 2006 11:05:42 AM

Jack... Just as many of our problems with kids today stem from our refusal to call certain behavior 'bad', on an international scale we bend over backwards to try to accommodate the most vile behavior. The Muslims know this about us and count on it as part of their plans.

Tonny... I'm afraid you're right.

Scott... I'm not suggesting that you not draw upon the Bible for inspiration. But please try to at least paraphrase in the modern vernacular. :-)

Stan... I'm guessing that either you didn't read Ibrahim's Mirror all the way to the end... or you didn't understand it. There was nothing particularly pro-Arab/Muslim in that post, it did make the point that we Israelis/Jews often have room for improvement in our behavior. That is completely disconnected from the point of this post which is that Islam as practiced in its intended form creates a situation where coexistence is not possible. That said, I would hope that my views would be constantly evolving and that you would be pleased to see a blogger express a range of opinions.

Sophia... Just because there is no master plan to export Muslims to European countries does not mean that the Muslims who move there do not have an organized plan themselves to, as you say, to be come 'settler colonists'. The modern leaders are not the organizers of this trend, but rather the blueprint for this expansionist program exists in the Koran.

Jaime... You have uncovered the fallacy of your own case. Your friends are not strict Muslims and have 'watered it down' with enough eastern and western thought/philosophy to have them fall well outside the definition of strict Muslims I described. Your friend fled the very thing I described so you can't really say that my assessment of Iranian Muslims is a lie or even partially incorrect.

Irina... The Israeli government will do just what it always has: It will ignore warnings about the dangers of its actions and then pretend to be surprised when the sh*t hits the fan again. This is the price of having leaders who like the idea of being in power but have no idea that with the power comes responsibility.

Yabu... Mind? Links are what make the world go 'round! ;-)

Yaron... Just this once I'd love to be proven wrong.

40oz Loudmouth... Yes, you'll find I generally write what I think. But be prepared because I am also human. I make mistakes and am always open to the possibility that I don't have access to all the information. In other words... feel free to share.

Jack H. ... I have long contended that it is a world war. My big worry is that the modern conventions of war and the rules of warfare do not adequately address how a nation state can defend itself against an army that holds no clear nationality, wears no uniforms and adheres to no accepted rules of warfare. Any suggestions?

ChicagoSusanna... I sort of regretted writing that after a few hours but I decided to leave it up. Yes, I believe that Islam is an entirely invented religion, but that doesn't make it bad. If someone were to make up a religion that required its adherents to act kindly to strangers, give charity and spend their days trying to improve the world... I would defend their right to practice as strongly as I defend my own rights of religious freedom.

Simon... If your point is that I have simply perpetuated negative stereotypes about Islam without regards to solid facts... You are quite mistaken. I am not accusing the Muslims of having some fictitious 'Elders of Zion'-type conspiracy against the world. Their most central belief repository (the Koran) is far worse than anything I could make up.

Frank... Other than the fact that I didn't know the guys with the cell phones were Muslims, I agree with your point completely. Actions speak louder than words. The Muslims of the world have begun to march towards what they believe is their destiny of world domination. We ignore this at our peril.

Dina... actually Islam is fairly even handed when it comes to us Dhimmis. :-) Mohammad was a student of a Rabbi and received many of his ideas from Jewish tests and practices. However, many scholars share your view that Islam has a special antipathy for Judaism because it is a 'mother religion' that refused to recognise and join its offspring.

Yehuda... Most of the examples you've brought are either 19th century problems that have largely scabbed over, or the result of colonial meddling on the part of Europeans. In any event they certainly don't add up to anything close to 10% of the world's problems.

Rahel... I see you responded to Simon immediately after reading his comment. I actually read it several hours ago and decided to have some coffee and play with Yonah before responding. I've read a lot of Simon's writing and know him to be an intelligent, rational person. In this case he seems to have bowed to the typical Jewish tendency towards empathy with anyone being accused or oppressed. While I think you were correct to disagree with him I think you will probably agree that an angry response is not likely to encourage him to join a constructive discussion of the topic.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Aug 14, 2006 11:31:44 AM

David, I'm a strong supporter and defender of Israel but I think your post goes too far in tarring all Islam with the Nasrallah-Ahmadinejad brush.

In my part of the world - which includes Indonesia, the world's largest (most populous) Muslim country - there are problems with radical Islam but it is Islamic governments that are trying to deal with and defang it.

I'd be the last one to try and lecture Israelis on the reality of their situation but can I just suggest that we have to look at issues like culture and modernity as well as religion in order to undertstand the animus with which the Islamic Middle East regards Israel.

For a start, Israel is probably the most outstanding example of successful nation-building since the beginning of the 20th century. Born out of persecution, war and every kind of adversity, it has built a politically and militarily dominant state in a hostile environment and flourished technologically and economically.

Yet it is surrounded by failed or failing states which are sustained either by donations from the EU and the US or by oil revenues - which are theirs only by accidents of geography and geology. They didn't build and they didn't earn and they didn't modernise. Israel did and did and did.

That's the atavistic root of the Middle East's hatred of Israel. Islam is just the excuse, just as it's the excuse for the maniacs that planned to blow up all those planes over the Atlantic. We're talking about a pathological condition, not a religion.

Just another perspective - maybe a dud one.

Posted by: Rob | Aug 14, 2006 11:56:57 AM

Show me an Imam who prefers to recognize Israel than have bloodshed in the name of his/her Maker and I’ll show you a true religious Martyr.

Posted by: pk | Aug 14, 2006 11:57:57 AM

David, you're right. My fuse is usually longer than it was above. Sorry.

Posted by: Rahel | Aug 14, 2006 12:45:41 PM

Phew! That Lets Cuba off-the-hook then?Mind you,Castro has a Beard........never a good sign!

Posted by: Tony Zimnoch | Aug 14, 2006 1:00:20 PM

Rob... Indonesia is perhaps the best example of what I mentioned when I said that many Mulsim countries have attmepted to establish stabalized 'Islam Lite' environments. But listen to what the Indonesian government is saying publically. They are staunch supporters of global Jihad and have seconded the calls for Israel's destruction on many occasions. What possible reason could they have for doing this? They have no territorial claims on this part of the world. They have no vested interest in any aspect of the middle east struggle, except that as Muslims they are compelled to step up and support any Jihad against the infidel. Just becasue the average Joe, er Achmed on the street in Jakarta enjoys a beer in the evening and cares more about the soccer scores than whether Islam conquers the world does not mean the Indonesian government is a good example of places that do not foster and foment terror and global Islamic goals.

pk... In nano-seconds. :-)

Rahel... No problem. All of us are a bit on edge lately. No apology necessary.

Tony Zimnoch... Are you suggesting that Cuba is one of the trouble spots in the world today? Aside from the fact that they have their political differences with the U.S., they are not bothering anyone. IF you had mentioned Venezuela's Chavez I would have had a tougher time dismissing his potential as a threat to world peace.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Aug 14, 2006 1:32:04 PM

David, I agree with what you've said. What intrigues me is how does one go about solving this problem? My hunch is that the long-term solution will require a more subtle, stealthy approach than the world has used up to this point. In the mean time, the world has to accept that Israel has to use force to contain its aggressors & protect its people.

Posted by: Steve Bogner | Aug 14, 2006 1:43:06 PM

David, I'm not trying or wanting to be argementative but can I draw attention to this article?

Yenny Wahid is the daughter of the former President of Indonesia. All I'm saying is that there is more than one Islam.

Posted by: Rob | Aug 14, 2006 1:47:09 PM

It does feel at first a bit strange to be "picking" on Islam. But lets take a look at Islam along side of Judaism and Christianity. The main difference seems to be any willingness to admit wrongdoing.

While I don't know how some of your commenters will take this, but for most of it's history Christianity was far worse than Islam in every way you've described it. More bloodthirsty, less compassionate, etc. For close to two thousand years you could have said "It's Christianity, stupid." But after the Holocaust, Christianity (for the most part) woke up like a drunk driver after killing a family, and said they had a problem. And with Vatican II and other moves, even to the point of gutting the major tenets of their own religion, by admitting their faults, they've actually improved.

Judaism is a religion constantly based on realizing we know what our faults are. From "from our sins we were exiled from our land" to Tisha B'Av to Yom Kippur - that's what it's all about. Often to a fault, we are constantly admitting our blame in places where we deserve it.

And that I think is what Islam has failed to do. I do think it will happen eventually - but probably after a major defeat, and I hope not after another (nuclear?) Holocaust.

Posted by: Dave (Balashon) | Aug 14, 2006 1:48:24 PM

I don't know, David . . . so much of what you say is true and makes sense . . . and yet, going back to your Ibrahim's Mirror technique, if you subsitute "Judaism" for "Islam" in your post, it sure does sound like anti-Semitic propoganda from 1930's (and previous hundreds of years) Europe. Just a thought. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong . . . but, you know, much of what you say can be applied to Jews by those who hate us ("They have a mitzva to attack Amalek! They cut off pieces of boys' penises! They spread throughout the world and refuse to assimilate!" etc etc)

Again, I'm not saying you are 100 percent wrong. There is a huge problem between the Christian West and the Muslim East, and it's not headed in a good direction, and the good Americans and Europeans have their heads in the sand. I predict World War III very soon, sad to say.

Posted by: Sarah | Aug 14, 2006 2:56:28 PM

@ Sarah: World War III has already started. It's just that none of the key "Western" players have figured it out yet.

The historians may argue about the exact starting point -- was it the current Lebanon war? or was it 9/11? or the first WTC bombing? or the day the Ayatollahs took over? or...

But make no mistake, it has begun.

Posted by: wogo | Aug 14, 2006 3:11:06 PM

Sarah, yes and yes to your comment. You've put your finger much better than I on what I found discomfiting about David's post.

I'm an interloper here, I daresay, writing from thousands of miles away (in Australia), but I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that all Muslims are the same, they all hate Jews, want to destroy Israel, etc., etc. There is a moderate Islam out there that we can talk to and which is struggling just as hard with the forces of jihadism as we are.

Posted by: Rob | Aug 14, 2006 3:18:12 PM

Great post.

Posted by: Maeve | Aug 14, 2006 3:30:48 PM

Quite the opposite.Cuba has never been a threat to the US.Nor has Venezuela.But that hasnt stopped the US doing everything in its power to cripple the country.& no doubt,once Castro "pops his clogs" the US will do everything it can(both legal&illegal) to shoehorn in Bush-Friendly Cuban Government.Whats this got to do with Islam?Well......
The US has a long history of meddling in other peoples business.This is but the latest example.Your chickens are coming home to roost.....(unfortunately,because of Blair, we are getting our share of KFC too here in England)
I just dont buy this anti-Islam thing.
Islam might be the cover.....I think it is just an excuse.implying it's a CHRISTAN/JEW versus MUSLIM conflict is simplistic.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one! By the way,Im Polish Catholic.make of that what you will!
Love The Phrase "radical soulectomy"........Think I must have had one of those once !
Cheers From England.

Posted by: Tony Zimnoch | Aug 14, 2006 3:49:54 PM

David, you say "Their most central belief repository (the Koran) is far worse than anything I could make up", and I'm sure the anti-Semites I quoted would have said the same thing about the Torah and the Talmud, and would have brought the references to prove it. By taking the step from condemning the actions of individuals who identify as Muslims to condemning all of Islam, you are IMHO guilty of exactly the same error as them.

Frank L, it wasn't so long ago that a Jew murdered 29 innocent people in a mosque, and I know that Jews who have learned more Torah than I ever will defend him on religious grounds. I believe that they are misinterpreting the Torah, and I also believe that those who Irshad Manji calls "Islamists" and "jihadists" are misinterpreting the Koran.

Posted by: Simon | Aug 14, 2006 3:50:10 PM

Simon: “it wasn't so long ago that a Jew murdered 29 innocent people in a mosque, and I know that Jews who have learned more Torah than I ever will defend him on religious grounds.”

Actually, if your timescale considers all the murders of innocents done in the name of Allah since that time, it was a very long time ago. Just the fact you had to go that far back shows how feeble your comparison is. The other very important difference is that after the Jew murdered the Muslim worshipers, other Jews immediately publicly demonstrated to denounce his actions. Where are such demonstrations after a Muslim beheads an infidel?

David: I completely agree and wish to offer only a tiny tiny ray of sunshine. We had Shabbat lunch with some of our most liberal friends. To hear them talk, you would think they were fans of Kahana. I think American Jewry finally gets the war on terror. The crowd around the table all thought that Iran and Syria desperately need a good bombing, and some of these people still wring their hands about what we did to Dresden. They realize, I think, that lots of Muslims would rejoice at their and their children’s violent deaths, all the more so because they are both Americans and Jews.

Posted by: Doctor Bean | Aug 14, 2006 4:47:48 PM

Well actually the problem with Muslims, as someone said, is:

Wherever they are in a minority, they talk about democratic rights and wherever they are in a majority, they fight for theocracy.

Also, a Professor in a Canadian University had this to say, about Muslims:

Muslims as a majority are a ruthless majority...while as a minority are a turbulent one.

Muslims, unfortunately, are a problem everywhere...like it oe not...they don't want to live in peace with non-Muslims and are always whining about the injustices meted out to their community or how their community has been left behind in the path to progress...I guess someone should tell them that as long as they keep (day) dreaming about bringing the whole world under Islamic rule or refuse to have Islamic teachings accomodate modern thought process, they'll forever be at odds with non-Muslims all over the world.

Posted by: Cipher | Aug 14, 2006 4:49:17 PM

Tony: "Cuba has never been a threat to the US"....Wrong. I recall helping my mom bombproof our basement when Cuba's Russian nukes were pointed at us.

David--great post. I know we sometimes write in generalities so "all Moslems" may not be strictly accurate as some have opined, but the problem is today's Islam, not Moslems. Those I've gone to school with in the US are aware that things aren't as their newspapers, mosques, tv shows et al declare vis-a-vis the US, Israel and Jews. I had a Moslem Iranian roommate in college who was quite strict but also quite close to me and amazed at (surprise!) how much Judaism was like Islam. I became part of her circle of friends and got to know them well.

But these were exceptions to the masses-- a huge proportion of today's Moslem population is being educated by radical Islamic clerics, state-controlled television which excoriates the west and such western inventions as democracy and equality, and pan-Arab nationalists who have now hitched religion to the nationalist anti-Israel, anti-west agenda.

I recently told a very liberal friend that I have no problem with profiling Moslems at airports, and if they resent it, well then, start acting like citizens instead of accomplices: snitch off the terrorists incubating in your communities.

There may not have been a "conquest-plan" by the average Ahmed, but right after WWII, the Moslem Brotherhood set up shop in Germany to serve and radicalize the tiny Moslem population of refugees and gast-arbeiters there---and it has continued with its radicalization of European Moslems since then, quite successfully.

Glad you said this, David--I'm tired of the world pussy-footing around the issue, and sick of a political correctness dictated by the elite of many nations whose kid's AREN'T on the firing lines.

Posted by: aliyah06 | Aug 14, 2006 5:36:16 PM

Cipher, just try changing Muslim for Jew in that last paragraph and see what you get.

Posted by: Rob | Aug 14, 2006 5:36:52 PM

Once we had a World War with ... what, 60 million Germans, 40 million Italians and 80 million Japanese. (guessing numbers). 50 million or so, all told, died. What's a World War with one and one half Billion Muslims going to be like?

Posted by: Scott | Aug 14, 2006 5:47:16 PM

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